STX-WSL Boys High School Top 25
March 1st, 2010
WSL TOP 25: FINAL 2010 RANKINGS
1. Highland Park (TX): 16-2
Texas High School Lacrosse League Division I state champion
2. La Costa Canyon (CA): 23-0
CIF-San Diego Section champion
3. Cherry Creek (CO): 17-2
Colorado High School Activities Association state champion
4. St. Mark’s (TX): 17-3
Texas High School Lacrosse League Division I state finalist
5. St. Ignatius Prep (CA): 20-2
CIF-Central Coast Section WCAL champion
6. Bellevue (WA): 20-3
Washington High School Boys Lacrosse Association Division I champion
7. Mercer Island (WA): 21-1
Washington High School Boys Lacrosse Association Division I finalist
8. Regis Jesuit (CO): 12-7
Colorado High School Activities Association state finalist
9. Arapahoe (CO): 16-2
Colorado High School Activities Association state semifinalist
10. Foothill-Orange County (CA): 18-4
CIF-Southern Section champion for fourth consecutive year
11. De La Salle (CA): 18-6
CIF-North Coast Section champion for second straight season
12. Foothill-Pleasanton (CA): 18-5
CIF-North Coast Section finalist
13. San Ramon Valley (CA): 17-5
CIF-North Coast Section semifinalist
14. Brighton (UT): 14-0
Utah High School Lacrosse League Division I state champion
15. Kent Denver (CO): 10-7
Colorado High School Activities Association state semifinalist
16. Dallas Jesuit (TX): 14-7
Texas High School Lacrosse League Division I state semifinalist
17. Amador Valley (CA): 15-8
CIF-North Coast Section semifinalist
18. Centennial (NV): 14-4
Southern Nevada Lacrosse Association Division I champion
19. Palo Verde (NV): 20-2
Southern Nevada Lacrosse Association Division I finalist
20. Lincoln (OR): 21-3
Oregon High School Lacrosse Association state champion
21. Bellarmine Prep (CA): 16-5
CIF-Central Coast Section WCAL finalist
22. Colorado Academy (CO): 15-2
Colorado High School Activities Association state quarterfinalist
23. Rockhurst Jesuit (MO): 21-5
Missouri Scholastic Lacrosse Association Division I champion
24. Benilde-St. Margaret's (MN): 16-1
Minnesota State High School League champion
25. Brophy Prep (AZ): 18-2
Arizona Youth Lacrosse League Division I state champion

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Rankings
2011 rankings have not been posted yet
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Team Dallas
Just knocked off the CRABS at the Brine Shootout, 8-4, in front of a full sideline of college coaches.
That's nice
That's nice...and the BP oil leak appears to have been capped today. Team Dallas has nothing to do with LaxPower National Coaches poll. All Star teams are cobbled together every summer and travel with varying success. Good job, Team Dallas. But it doesn't change the fact that LCC finished higher than any TX team in the LaxPower National Coaches poll.
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CA >> TX
sorry, but I'll take a LaxPower National Coaches poll over 3 guys that sit around and mull over this subject.
Laxpower
Look at the Lax Guys final rankings on Laxpower. They have been one of the most respected group that ranks HS teams. Their final rankings have HP at 26 and LCC at 28. Laxpower has always been flawed, these guys try and bring some objectiveness to the rankings.
LaxPower 2010 National Coaches Poll
Do you want to watch WSL Editor and his TX minions flip their lids, then check out 2010 LaxPower National Coaches' Poll:
http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=20545&page=2
LaCosta Canyon is the only team in the 'west' in their top 25...even higher if looking at the NCR.
How bout dem mavs
Thanks for the heads up about IL. HP ranked #23 and LCC ranked #25. Looks like the experts got it right too.
regional rankings
http://insidelacrosse.com/rankpoll/hsregional/2010-06-17
WSL is clearly not the benchmark if you have a look at these regional rankings. MN, OR, UT, NV don't even register teams on the radar. LaCosta Canyon is given its rightful place as #1 in the West.
Be Satisfied
You're #25 on IL. Take it and hush. Arapahoe CO and St. Andrew's FL weren't even listed and could beat LCC by 5 easily...any day
LCC is a candidate to be the
LCC is a candidate to be the number 1 team in the nation by Inside Lacrosse, yet they aren't even number one in the west.... come on
The Inside Lacrosse Story: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/15/high-school-lacrosse-whos-no-1
HP #1
Right call Nate...
Maybe next year La Costa Canyon will not just play "Cream Puffs" out of state. Lets be honest, the two they played were really bad...
FINAL 2010 RANKINGS
Oh Nate, you got it wrong brother. You made your #1, a team that only played 14 different teams this season. LCC on the other hand went 23-0 by playing 21 different teams, then went on to the playoffs and beat 2 of the region's top teams again. HP went 16-2 and played only 14 different teams during its season....that's a huge disparity and helps define the level of difficulty in that team's schedule. LCC deserved to be the #1 team in the West this year.
#1 Debate
The #1 debate will continue...
HP beat three WSL top 25 teams: St Marks, Arapahoe, & Dallas Jesuit.
LCC beat four WSL top 25 teams: St Ignatius, Foothill OC, De La Salle, & Amador Valley.
HP went 15-2.
LCC went 23-0.
CCR Ranking
Interesting that LaxPower's Coaches/Computer Rating (CCR) has La Costa Canyon ranked 13th in the country and Highland Park ranked #39.
Undefeated
Guys, wake up....
undefeated means something but not everything!!
So Lasalle Academy in RI, Haggersville in ON, Salmon River in NY, Brighton in UT, Ledyard in CT, etc should all be ranked higher than St Pauls in MD, West Islip in NY and Haverford in PA because they were undefeated!!! Give me a break. Thats not how rankings go!!!
ONLY TWO of the TOP 10 in the country are undefeated!! None are undefeated in the TOP 5. WHY??? Because they play an out of state schedule thats incredibly tough and deserve a higher ranking than any of those other undefeated teams.
You guys played two cream puffs and almost lost to one of them....
Huh.....????
What does "almost lost" mean? You either win or lose and La Costa Canyon has 23 straight WINS! I guess you boys must have another category down there in Texas...the "almost lost" column. Do ya all have an "almost won" column too? So now I see why you guys are having such a hard time figuring the #1 ranking out. Ok, by your way of thinking, Highland Park's season was: 12 wins, 2 losses, & 3 "almost losses"....I get it now!! You guys are geniuses down there!
Oh yeah, I love how HP only played 14 different teams this year too... I guess this lowers the chances of incurring more losses and "almost losses"...brilliant!
So you fault Highland Park
So you fault Highland Park for not having as much local competition as a California school and therefore not being able to schedule as many games?
No Fault
I am just trying to point out the differences of two teams: one team goes 23-0 by playing 21 different teams & goes on to the playoffs and beats 2 of the region's top teams again. The other team goes 16-2 and plays only 14 different teams during its season....that's a huge disparity and helps define the level of difficulty in that team's schedule. If Highland Park wants to be the undisputed #1 team in the West, then they need to schedule more games during their season and play more than 14 different teams. LCC traveled to Long Island in 2008 and Colorado in 2009 and traditionally plays 20+ games a year. That's how you gain respect (along with winning all of your games) in the lacrosse community.
you guys are stoopid
Highland Park is a club team. LCC would formally invite anyone to Encitown and give yall a shot at the true champz. We would have loved to come and merk on yall fools but da budget kutz left us hanging. get off the polls cuz nathan max does not deserve the respect you guys are giving him. Why don't we get a coaches poll or AP poll or use laxpower's statistical ranking. Any alternative is better than listening to one mans biased opinion. And nathan if your research is more in depth than just looking at scores than be a big boy and tell us about where the rankings actually come from.
yours truly,
Alex Pardieu
get at me
Dear Nathan Max...
You seem to have been very biased against LCC all year long. You have also seemingly tried to justify your rankings of the top teams before Tuesday which was your deadline for the new rankings. i just need to know if your dislike of LCC is going to out weigh the argument of an undefeated season of 23 straight wins. A record of 16-2 just does not compare. Look; if Highland Park was 23-0 and LCC was 16-2, it would be a no brainer...the undefeated team gets the #1 ranking. So why are you even contemplating the outcome....clearly LCC deserves the #1 ranking in the West.
Biased?
The fact is, WSL has bent over backward for 5 straight seasons to give La Costa Canyon boys lacrosse a ton of publicity. Claiming that we or I are biased against you is a complete and total joke. If you don't believe me, why don't go into the search box underneath the STX ad and type in "La Costa Canyon" or the names of any number of different players who have played in the program over the years. Then, you will see what I'm talking about.
And, to Mr. Pardieu. The reason why so many people respect WSL, myself and the work that I do is because I have EARNED it through five years of tireless work and an unprecedented commitment to the Western lacrosse community. According to a quick search, your name has appeared in 19 WSL stories. How many times was your named mentioned in articles written by the San Diego Union-Tribune or North County Times? (and box scores don't count).
Maybe you should think about that before you come on here and publicly bash the one man who is responsible for making sure you get recognition for your accomplishments.
Don't be Maxed-out
Nate, you gotta have thicker skin brother. You are a journalist and people are going to disagree with your opinions, your articles and your rankings. You should encourage the discussion whether or not the reader agrees or disagrees. Embrace controversy; it is good for business. Regarding your comments: You wrote about all the coverage you have given LCC through the years....the fact of the matter is that they are a high school lacrosse powerhouse. I was just looking at their win-lose record since 2005; they are 116-20...how can you not write about them? That would be like a baseball writer not talking about the NY Yankees. You also have to report on the players, but please don't take credit for being responsible for all their recognition. The top players on the West Coast have earned their right to be recognized by playing back east in numerous games, development camps, and invitationals. Nate, you are a journalist who has a great lacrosse site...lets leave it at that. Keep doing what you do best and let the lacrosse fans continue to write in without bashing them for it.
Eric
Love how you dont add in your blog the RECORD of the teams like Wheatridge (11-6) who didnt make it past the 2nd round in CO, and you disparage Arapahoe (16-2)who went to the semis and got upset in OT. If you are even arguing those two teams are close in talent you are LARGELY mistaken. I mean WR lost to FOCO by 6!! In my eyes FOCO would beat you too!!! Ask any CO player or coach. Arapahoe beats WR by 10. So you said you had a bad game, OK. But thats your word against anyone elses. To most of us, if Mullen beats WR by 7 and loses to Arapahoe by 7 then 99% of people feel that Arapahoe is better than WR. Its as simple as this: You might have had a bad day but you beat a WR team by one that would lose to Arapahoe by 10. Or a MUllen by 7, which it did, or to cheery creek by 10. HP would crush WR on its worst day, end of story. In fact HP had a really bad day against Arapahoe and still won by 2. What does that say to you having a bad day against WR and winning by 1??
And shockingly, you left out the record of Good Counsel who was 10-9, barely .500, and not a good team at all. You can say anything you want about wins in CA, but anyone who follows lacrosse knows, you have to gage the wins and losses you have out of state against another team from a different state. The fact you beat Coranado or Torry Pines doesnt mean squat to HP or St Marks. Just like HP beating ESD doesnt mean anything to you.
Let the guys who follow lacrosse religiously make the call, they will get it right. HP #1
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He left out Good Counsel
He left out Good Counsel because although we crushed them, he did not think it was a significant win for us.
And you say in-state does not matter, so according to your logic Highland Parks win over St Marks is not significant and their only significant win is to Arapahoe who did not even get to the Colorado State championship much less win it.
My Long Winded Argument
this is true...
Im not biased in trying to make Foothill OC look better, but LCC had probablly the best season in California's history. I mean, they beat the best teams by margins of 6-7 goals on average. Even their playoff games werent that close. I think you definitly have a point here with the undeafeted record. However, in Nathans defense, I think i speak for all of us when I say that none of us have really seen this Texas team play. Nathan spends hours upon hours collecting scores and stuff, so it seems to me he knows these teams very well, and he weights the wins based on quality not quantity. Like I said earlier, this season its hard to imagine a team better than LCC, and im not sure if one exsists, but we have never seen this HP team play. Lets see if next year we can get some Texas-SoCal games going to compare.
PS
That Foothill -LCC game was a good one. We love the games on the Durf (dirt/turf)
Scots
WSL gets it right again in 2010. In addition to a tougher SOS, Highland Park has way too much speed for LCC and featured the best team defense in the West. I doubt LCC could beat St. Mark's or any of the top 3 CO teams, but maybe next year things will be different.
Any alternative is better
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WSL Top 25
There have been more upsets and parity in some areas than ever before, making the rankings an extremely difficult task. The biggest debate comes down to who is No. 1? Highland Park or La Costa Canyon. Both teams have a legitimate argument. Both teams played a strong schedule. Both teams beat East Coast programs.
WSL's pick for No. 1 is Highland Park. Although it didn't go undefeated, our view is Highland Park played a tougher schedule and beating Lawrenceville (N.J.) on the road is a higher quality victory than beating Good Counsel (Md.) at home. Highland Park also beat Arapahoe and Loomis Chaffee and St. Mark's twice.
La Costa Canyon has a strong argument, with numerous quality wins over top California competition. Our view is just that Highland Park's resume is slightly better.
At the bottom of the rankings, we have heard the most complaining from Brophy Prep, which feels it deserves to be ranked higher than No. 25. Our response to that is...how? Inside Lacrosse has had Brophy Prep ranked No. 9 in its Western regional rankings, and our view is that is completely ridiculous. Brophy Prep has no quality wins and even lost to Arizona semifinalist Chaparral. It went 2-1 at the Jerry Langkammerer Tournament, but its two wins were over Menlo (unranked in California) and Oregon Episcopal School (No. 6 in Oregon). Not exactly the kinds of victories that merit being ranked No. 9 in the West. Brophy played a soft schedule and should consider itself fortunate to be ranked at all.
Feel free to share your opinion. I'm sure you will.
Best regards,
Nathan Max
WSL Executive Editor
My opinion
Nate,
First I need to thank you for even taking the time to explain your reasoning behind the rankings, a first class move on your part.
Additionally, thanks for providing a forum for all our disgruntled comments. Sometimes we just need to vent.
Of course the only real way to settle this would be a Westside Showdown between LCC and HP, which I'm sure won't happen anytime soon.
My argument for LCC is based on their undefeated season and getting to watch them in action as well. Their defense this year was was phenomenal and they completely shut down Emery and Englehart and many other talented players.
I was wondering if your rankings are based on stats or do you get a chance to get out and observe some of the top teams? I know it is not possible to get a look at more than a couple of teams, but as the season draws to a close and you have some clear front runners, maybe then you could sneak out and get a look. No, I am not paying for your trip, it's only a suggestion.
Thanks again for all the great one liners and coverage of our west coast players.
R/
Ken Englehart
HP easily #1
It really isnt very hard to see that HP is #1 when you look at the whole body of work. Westside definitely does its research and I feel LCC supporters have not done any.
LCC did not play ONE decent team out of state. They beat a very marginal Good Counsel team who were 10-9, barely 500. Then the worst game for them they only beat Wheatridge by ONE goal. The same Wheatrdige that lost to Cherry creek 13-3 and Mullen, 11-4. WheatRidge lost to Mullen by 7 and HP beat Mullen 10-3. And LCC can only beat Wheatridge by ONE!!! Come on. I know its hard to use the whole, this team beat that one by 5 and this team beat that one, but when the numbers are so large like this, its obvious.
Wheatridge definitely belonged on the same field as LCC only losing 4-3. Wheatridge was obviously over their head playing against Mullen and losing 11-4. Mullen was obviously over their heads playing HP and losing 10-3 and it wasnt even that close, 4th quarter the reserves came in. And LCC fans have the gaul to say they would beat HP??? Thats just not logical or even fair to say. HP beats LCC by 5-10.
HP beats Arapahoe (16-2) CO state semifinalist, Arapahoe also beat Cherry Creek, CO Champion and a team that beat Wheatridge by TEN!!! TEN!!! As stated above, HP beats Mullen 10-3 and it wasnt even that close. They dominate Loomis Chafee 11-3 and beat Lawrenceville in NJ by 4.
Yes LCC is undefeated but you have to play somebody out of state dont you?? HP had two losses, one against Haverford 11-3 and one in OT to St Marks who was 17-3 this year with two losses to HP and an OT loss to Arapahoe. In fact, St Marks was 17-3 this year only losing to HP twice and Arapahoe, and last year they were 17-4 only losing to HP 3 times and ST Marys of Anapolis 12-8. Pretty impressive.
Finally, there is even an arguement about LCC being #2. The is no question HP is #1, but do you really think LCC beats Cherry Creek, Arapahoe, or even St Marks??? All three of those teams handily beats Wheatridge by 8-10. Wheatridge also only made it to RD 2 in the CO playoffs. Do you know how many CO teams think they can beat LCC because they struggled against Wheatridge. FOCO, Regis, Chatfield, Mullen (who beat WR by 7), and Kent all have good arguements. None of these teams have an arguement against HP.
I think LCC is a very very good team, but they do not deserve #1. The undisputed #1 is HP.
LCC easily played their worst
LCC easily played their worst game against Wheat Ridge, look at the score when they played Torrey, 12-5, and then La Costa Canyon went and beat Torrey Pines in the CIF Championship game 12-6.
And regarding the argument that LCC has no out of state games, look at the population of California. We have 30 million people in this state, in San Diego county we have near the population of Colorado. LCC played and beat St. Ignatius Prep, the WCAL champion, Foothill, the Southern Section champion,and De La Salle, the Eastbay champion. Each of these conferences has close to the population of Colorado, so when California teams don't go out of state, it has to be looked at with a different perspective. Just because LCC had an off day and did not cross state lines does not mean they should be looked down upon at all.
The #1 Debate
Wait a minute, you are going to make one 1 point game the basis of your argument? The core group of players on this year's LCC team are the same kids that traveled to Long Island, NY in 2008 and won 2 out of 3 games in the "Cradle of Lacrosse". They are the same kids that traveled to Denver last year and took it to Kent Denver and beat Cherry Creek. This year LCC has beat everyone that has suited up against them...11 of those teams lost by more then 10 goals. So, don't make the Wheatridge game your primary argument. I say if Highland Park had traveled to Southern California this year they would have been beat not only by LCC but by Torrey Pines and Coronado too.
LCC #1
WestSide,
As much as I dislike the very ground that LCC walks on, you have to give them the credit that is due. An undefeated season, victories over all in state and out of state competition. I know that the rankings come out tomorrow, so do the right thing and crown LCC #1 in the west. LCC, congrats on another great season.
LCC #1 in the West???
LCC wins another CIF Championship and does it by winning 23 straight games! Those wins include wins over all the San Diego area lacrosse powers, Orange County, CA teams, east coast teams, Northern California teams, and a Colorado team. I believe that if LCC had played Highland Park, TX this season the Mavericks would still be undefeated. LCC deserves to be named the #1 team in the West.